1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,800 There's no question that UFOs are real. I studied the UFO phenomenon all over the world 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:16,560 in 42 countries. I traveled a million kilometers for it. And there's no question that indeed 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,760 there's something behind the UFO phenomenon which is real and indicating an extraterrestrial 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,440 presence here on Earth. 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,920 I don't believe in UFOs. I've seen a number of them and so I'm quite certain they exist. 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,760 And it's a bit like asking, do you believe in this chair I'm sitting in? Well, I mean 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,880 it's there and you can see it. I've seen them. I've seen tremendous evidence associated 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:45,160 with them. And there's no question in my mind that they are real. 9 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:48,760 I personally don't think that's true because there have been committee after committee 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,000 consisting of, you know, top flight academics and people who are skilled in recognizing 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,400 aerial phenomena and so forth. When they look at the evidence, what they find is that, you 12 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:09,440 know, the UFOs turn out to be natural phenomena. 13 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,360 The idea that unidentified objects in the skies may be spacecraft from another world 14 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:21,720 sharply divides skeptics from believers. But it's an idea that is growing in popularity 15 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:32,000 worldwide. 16 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,640 Unidentified flying objects have been seen in the skies since the beginning of time. 17 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:45,640 But are they mere quirks of nature or something more profound? And if so, what? 18 00:01:45,640 --> 00:02:09,360 In 1947 it was claimed that an alien spacecraft crashed in the desert near the town of Roswell, 19 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Mexico. And indeed, although they later retracted this statement, initially the American military 20 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,840 seemed to confirm the fact. 21 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Two weeks earlier, Kenneth Arnold, a private pilot, had reported seeing disshaped craft 22 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:34,400 in the skies ahead of him near Mount Rainier in Washington state. 23 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,480 These two incidents triggered a belief in a phenomenon that over the last 50 years has 24 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,160 attracted followers from all walks of life. 25 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Dr. Stephen Greer, a qualified medical doctor, is certain that UFOs are both real and extraterrestrial. 26 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,880 He thinks he has plenty of evidence to justify a congressional hearing on the subject. 27 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,640 There's more evidence for this subject than there is for black holes. 28 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:08,080 We have over 3,500 pilot reports from a member of my team who's collected them from civilian 29 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:14,240 and military people. We have 4,000 landing trace events. We have hundreds of photographs 30 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,440 that are daylight crystal clear, they've been analyzed and they're not hoaxes. 31 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,360 So far, Greer's efforts to persuade Congress have been unsuccessful. But his organization 32 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,080 continues to groom its followers for contact with EET. 33 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:34,280 The C-Setting has also instituted a program of going around the world and initiating teams 34 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:40,120 of observers. But beyond that, teams of people capable of interacting with these objects 35 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,680 and with the intelligence behind these objects, which is what's really important. 36 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,000 There's been a combination of tremendous security put around the subject, which we're familiar 37 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,520 with, and public disinformation and ridicule, which makes the subject the laughing stock 38 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,600 of the scientific community and others. And so I may go and meet with a deputy director 39 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,800 of NASA and they're extremely interested and they know the subject is real. But they 40 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,320 would never go and be in front of a camera talking about it because it'd be the end of 41 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,320 their careers professionally. 42 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,680 Here we have the most commonly observed type of UFO. There's an official USF of picture 43 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,520 and this is the disc-shaped UFO with a dome on top of the after-all of the... 44 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,880 There's no doubt that the UFO phenomenon attracts more than its share of ridicule. 45 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,360 But our photographs, however dubious and individual eyewitness accounts, too readily dismissed 46 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,360 by skeptics. 47 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,960 We, healthy, normal human beings, we are able to describe something we have seen accurately 48 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:46,320 and we are not the victims of the loosens all the times. We can be, but we are not always. 49 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Denying the reality of your voice means denying the value of the human testimony itself. 50 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:57,320 Close to a prop circle area and open barns and we have one of these little balls of light 51 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,440 flying over... 52 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:04,440 The local UFO clubs that Michael Hessman addresses are part of a growing international circuit. 53 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,440 By far the majority here are convinced that UFOs are real and extraterrestrial in origin. 54 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Is it such an impossible idea? 55 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:26,440 It is not impossible at all for people to believe that we could be visited by other civilizations 56 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,440 because we ourselves send UFOs to other planetary bodies. 57 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:37,440 So if there was life on some other planet, they may have also done the same thing by sending 58 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 things to other planetary bodies. 59 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,440 That there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is no longer doubted by many 60 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,440 of today's scientists and astronauts like Ulrich Walther. 61 00:05:54,440 --> 00:06:00,440 I'm convinced that in our universe there are other intelligence. However, I don't think 62 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,440 that's true within our galaxy, in our Milky Way. 63 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Astronaut's story Musgrave is even more convinced. 64 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Statistically it's a certainty. There are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligences, life forms out there. 65 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:22,440 I believe they're so advanced that they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they came here. 66 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:28,440 The ultimate question is, is someone else out there? And if they're out there, how many of them are there 67 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,440 who are actually visiting us? We don't know, and we want to know. 68 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:56,440 What is it about the UFO phenomenon that makes it so difficult to pin down, despite reports of sightings from all over the world? 69 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Primarily it's the nature of the evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. 70 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:11,440 High in the mountains of Chile, Yorga Ibarra, a gold miner, says he had a close encounter with the UFO. 71 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:21,440 I saw one light, the big light, it stopped over my head, about 300 meters high. 72 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:30,440 It has a blue light, a completely blue light down. At this moment the UFO cut the blue light and gave it three types of light. 73 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Yellow, green and red. They came in direct from me. I didn't see one special energy force on my body. 74 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:48,440 But something curious, the UFO has no noise of the motor. Only as a wind. 75 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Same when you have a stick, a big stick, and make this way, and the UFO moves again. 76 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Like so many UFO accounts, Yorga Ibarra's story, lacking as it is intangible evidence, rests solely on the reliability of one individual's testimony. 77 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:23,440 In Belgium in 1989 and 90, it was a very different story. Here there was a UFO phenomenon that engaged the whole country to the highest level. 78 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:33,440 Literally hundreds of separate sightings of a strange triangle of lights that moved slowly across the countryside were reported to the authorities. 79 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,440 And this unidentified flying object was investigated by a number of experts. 80 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:59,440 At first sight it is very strange. Because for example the technical characteristics of such flying objects are very different from what we know. 81 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Professor Leon Brenig teaches at the Free University of Brussels and was one of those who looked closely at the phenomenon. 82 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:19,440 I saw a lot of first-hand witnesses had direct access to at least 800 investigations which were carefully made. 83 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:28,440 All these investigations indicate that there is really a phenomenon which is unusual. 84 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,440 All the flying characteristics are highly strange. 85 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:51,440 We have a lot of observations of such triangular platforms which were hovering silently without any apparent action on the air above a farm. 86 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,440 During 20 minutes, why above a farm? What does it mean? 87 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:10,440 One of the many witnesses at the time was Colonel Andre Armand, a civil engineering officer in the Belgian army. 88 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:20,440 In December 1989 he was driving along this road at night when he saw three rectangular panels of light moving slowly across the sky. 89 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,440 I saw the yellow panels beyond the trees there, flying till the trees there. 90 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:37,440 And the yellow panels changed into white light and this white light was coming down to me. 91 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:45,440 At this moment my wife told me, Andre, come, we must go now. 92 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Because when you see such big light coming to you, that's very strange to see that. 93 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,440 And my wife said to me, Andre, we are going away now. 94 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:06,440 This light disappears and I saw only three yellow, white, smaller lights. Triangular. 95 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,440 The center, the red light, pulsing, always pulsing. 96 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:19,440 And this object was flying away very, very fast in this direction. 97 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:32,440 In the following months there were many similar sightings of a strange triangle of lights not only in the countryside but also hovering over the rooftops in the center of Brussels. 98 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,440 Marcel Alfarano, a shopkeeper, managed to capture it on his camcorder. 99 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:47,440 It happened at 2.15, 2.20 in the morning, at night 30 or 31. 100 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,440 It happened at about 2.20 in the morning on the night of the 31st of March. 101 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,440 I took my camera and I went upstairs. 102 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,440 It was at that moment that I saw in the distance two lights. 103 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,440 They were bigger than car headlights and they were slowly coming towards me. 104 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,440 They were moving very slowly, high above the rooftops there. 105 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:23,440 And as they got closer, I could see there was a third light behind the other two. 106 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,440 This topped over there. 107 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:34,440 I realized it was not a plane. It was something bizarre, something unrecognizable. 108 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:41,440 Later some people from the government found me and they said I should not get too carried away. 109 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,440 They said I should say it was a plane I had filmed. 110 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,440 I went to see this film. 111 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,440 I took a camera 2 times, f16, to observe what the people saw from the ground. 112 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,440 Wilfrid de Braille, a colonel at the time, was officer in charge of operations. 113 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:33,440 Some people saw very strange objects in the air with a very peculiar behavior. 114 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,440 They called the police, the police confirmed the observation. 115 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:47,440 They called the radio station of Glom and Glom confirmed that they saw a blip in the air. 116 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,440 And that was also confirmed by another radio station which is about 100 miles away. 117 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,440 Based on that they asked to send these two aircraft in the air. 118 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,440 The police found me and they told me that I had to go to the airport. 119 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,440 I was told that I had to go to the airport. 120 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,440 I was told that I had to go to the airport. 121 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:27,440 So that night we had a squambble with 2 f16. I was one of the two pilots so I was leading the pair for that mission. 122 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,440 We had a lot of information coming from the ground. 123 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:39,440 And those people would basically inform us about the exact position of the UFO. 124 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:52,440 The ground radar observed a blip which was moving very fast from an area south of Brussels towards the east. 125 00:14:52,440 --> 00:15:07,440 The aircraft were in the near vicinity and of course tried to detect that particular object. 126 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:19,440 And the two aircraft confirmed that they had a lock on which showed the speed of 700 knots around 700 knots. 127 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:29,440 The f16s had repeated locks onto the UFO but as they closed in it changed direction and speed with extraordinary maneuverability. 128 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,440 The pilots had no doubt that the target was real. 129 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:43,440 We had a different radar contact on the target so it happens at least 3-4 times where we could acquire radar lock on with the f16. 130 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:51,440 And we knew that at least one or two times we had exactly the same contact as the one which was on the screen on the ground. 131 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:04,440 It was accelerating very fast so it was going from 50 knots to more than 1000 knots. 132 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,440 It was really climbing and descending very fast and it was changing heading abruptly. 133 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,440 And most of the time it was even flying super-speed. 134 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,440 The Air Force never did make direct visual contact with the UFO. 135 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,440 Exactly what the target was remained a mystery. 136 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,440 I don't think it could have been experimental aircraft. 137 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,440 First of all we always looked to the United States. 138 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,440 They could have been doing experiments here. 139 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,440 I don't see why they should be doing it in Belgium in the first place. 140 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Secondly they confirmed officially that it was not them. 141 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,440 We had an official declaration of the ambassador here. 142 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:56,440 And thirdly the performance of this system was such that it could not be related even to an experimental technology. 143 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,440 It was not a prototype and I don't really believe it was a meteorological phenomenon at that moment. 144 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:13,440 There was much left and one could refer to an extraterrestrial observation or vehicle if you want. 145 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:20,440 And I think that's an option or an assumption which should not be excluded. 146 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,440 I'm not saying that it was an extraterrestrial but it is an assumption that should not be excluded. 147 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:38,440 The radar tape from one of the F-16s was sent for detailed examination by experts at the Center for the Study of Electronic Warfare. 148 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,440 The radar specialist who advised the investigating team there was Professor Emil Schweitzer, 149 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,440 a distinguished physicist who teaches at the country's elite military academy. 150 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:58,440 What did he make of the strange unidentified craft that the Belgian Air Force tried to intercept? 151 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:08,440 That UFO code could make right turns which is impossible by our laws of mechanics. 152 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:15,440 And that UFO code also changed very suddenly the velocity which is also impossible. 153 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,440 But because it would give an infinite acceleration. 154 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:29,440 Is it possible that the Air Force's unseen UFO was nothing more than a technical aberration in the radar equipment? 155 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:39,440 I don't think that you can explain it by saying that all radars made the same mistake. That's highly unlikely. 156 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:50,440 There are different types of radar, there are different types of antennas and also the orientation of the target was different for the four radars. 157 00:18:50,440 --> 00:19:03,440 I'm going to be fired by my colleagues but I think that extra-terrestrial intelligence is very highly likely. 158 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,440 A photograph of the Belgian Triangle of Lights was later computer enhanced. 159 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,440 The image that was revealed appears to show a dark, delta-shaped craft behind the lights. 160 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:27,440 As more and more people worldwide look to the skies, some more and more UFO sightings are reported. 161 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,440 And increasingly an extra-terrestrial interpretation is capturing the popular imagination. 162 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,440 Mass communications have spread details of sightings around the globe, 163 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:48,440 revealing among other things that there are recurring similarities between some UFOs of today and those of the past. 164 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:57,440 This footage was taken near a military base in Montana in 1957. 165 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,440 I saw two silvery objects moving swiftly out of the Northwest. 166 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,440 The objects were very bright and about 10,000 feet in the air. 167 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,440 They appeared to be a bright, shiny metal, like polished silver. 168 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Both were the same size and were traveling at the same rate of speed, which was much slower than the jets which shot by shortly after I filmed the discs. 169 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:41,440 In Germany more than 30 years later, strange balls of light were again seen in the sky. 170 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,440 But this time they were stationary and both witnessed and photographed by hundreds of people. 171 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,440 It happened at Greifswald on the Baltic Sea. 172 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:59,440 Valeri Vinogrado was one of those who had his video camera to hand, and he recorded what he saw that night. 173 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,440 I heard noises so I went into the kitchen. 174 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,440 I looked out of the window. I could hear excited voices in the street and everyone was pointing towards the sky. 175 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,440 And then I saw these glowing balls hanging in a sort of formation in the sky. 176 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,440 It was in this direction over Greifswald nuclear power station towards the town of Lubin. 177 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:31,440 Within the formation the spheres all seemed to be rotating, but it was as if they were acting together in a formation. 178 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,440 And the whole group was hovering, not making any sudden moves. 179 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,440 It was just hovering in a stable kind of way. 180 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Then I saw a small sphere coming from the right. 181 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,440 It looked as if it flew right into the group and dissolved. 182 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,440 I think it's proof that whatever they were, they were still moving. 183 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,440 They were not flares. 184 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,440 So far pictures on their own have done little to solve the mystery of what UFOs are. 185 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:21,440 While it's true that still photographs, moving film and more recently home videos have produced an intriguing record of sightings over the past 50 years. 186 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,440 Imagery alone has failed to reveal much about the true nature of the objects we are seeing. 187 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:37,440 The inevitable distant hand held out of focus pictures say little or nothing of the UFO's internal mechanism, if indeed they have one. 188 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,440 If we say how would an alien phenomena look, then we don't have a clue. 189 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,440 It might look like a UFO. It might look like an ordinary airplane because they're disguised. 190 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,440 It might be totally invisible. We could look out there and there could be an alien spacecraft hanging over the city of Houston. 191 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,440 It's possible, but we're looking for evidence to prove it so. 192 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,440 It seems there is no stereotype for UFOs. 193 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Cigar shaped, ball shaped and saucer shaped craft are the most common manifestations of the phenomenon. 194 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:25,440 Whatever they are, UFOs by definition display characteristics that are clearly different from any known conventional craft. 195 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,440 And that is about as much as can be deduced from visual images. 196 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,440 On the odd occasion when UFOs are sharply photographed and the image clearly discernible, it raises other problems. 197 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:58,440 In 1971 on holiday on the borders of Austria and Germany, a musician and his wife were enjoying the landscape when they witnessed something very unusual. 198 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,440 Rudi Nagora recalls what happened. 199 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:12,440 I heard a whistling tone that was coming from somewhere nearby. I thought somebody was playing with the radio in their car, but it wasn't the case. 200 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,440 Then I could hear that the sound was coming from above. I looked up and in the sky I suddenly saw a round moving object. 201 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:26,440 It certainly didn't move like an aeroplane. The plane might do loops, but it doesn't suddenly stop and stand still. 202 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:33,440 A helicopter could suddenly stop, but you would be able to see the movement of the rotor blades and there were none. 203 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,440 It stood still in the air and made a humming noise. 204 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:44,440 It wasn't in one spot all the time. It would suddenly be behind me. So I had to keep turning around. 205 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,440 But in the end I managed to take 12 pictures. Of course they were ridiculed a lot and doubted. 206 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,440 People said I had seen a hubcap and such like. Until they were analyzed. 207 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:06,440 Rudi Nagora's pictures were independently examined in Germany and America and no evidence of any trick photography was discovered. 208 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,440 But are there evidence of an extraterrestrial craft? A close encounter through the camera lens is not proof enough. 209 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:36,440 Mexico. There have been more UFO sightings in the last five years than anywhere else in the world. 210 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:50,440 In 1994 the hills of Guadalajara were the setting for a close encounter of the second kind. 211 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:58,440 That is to say the UFO was not only seen at close hand, but there was some interaction between it and the man who photographed it. 212 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:06,440 Raul Dominguez is a landowner and a businessman. He recalls the extraordinary craft he saw that day. 213 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,440 It was a machine that I believe was about 25 meters in diameter. The lower half revolved. 214 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,440 I didn't notice any noise until it was very close to me. I heard it when it was 10 or 12 meters above my head. 215 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:35,440 And I heard a sound like bees buzzing. I felt my hair bristling and my clothes moved as well as my hair. 216 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,440 Immediately afterwards these marks appeared on my face and hands. 217 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,440 I was ill with stomach pains and bad indigestion for a long time. 218 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:56,440 The whole thing affected me very much, both physically and psychologically. It has changed me. 219 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,440 I'm certain now that UFOs exist. 220 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:08,440 Pictures of what may or may not be spacecraft from another world are only as real as the integrity of the witnesses who take them. 221 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,440 And an extraterrestrial interpretation assumes the possibility that we could be visited by aliens in the first place. 222 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,440 The main argument against this are the vast distances involved in space. 223 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:41,440 The nerve center for those scientists who believe that far out in the cosmos is the only place we'll find ET. 224 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,440 It's here at Arrasibo in Puerto Rico. 225 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,440 The largest radio telescope in the world is at the disposal of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. 226 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 I really do think that the aliens are out there. I don't think they're here. 227 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,440 The reason for that is simply the lack of credible evidence in my opinion. 228 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440 I mean it's very hard to travel from one star to the next, despite what you see in the movies and on television. 229 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,440 It's not just a matter of calling up the engine room and telling Scotty to put the pedal to the metal. 230 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:16,440 SETI was originally funded by NASA and they've searched for signs of extraterrestrial intelligence for more than 20 years. 231 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:25,440 The space agency no longer invests in their experiment and there are those who argue it's because NASA already knows that ET is here. 232 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,440 I'm serving 4067? No, 4061. 4061, it didn't shoot out. 233 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440 It's a view that SETI's astronomers reject out of hand. 234 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,440 They're convinced that the first contact with ET will be a radio signal that shows up on this screen. 235 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,440 Yeah, people often ask have you had any close calls or are you close to success? 236 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Well that isn't the way this works. It's kind of what you might call a one-bit experiment. 237 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,440 In other words, it's either yes or no and so far the answer is no. 238 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,440 It's sort of like Chris Columbus, you know, until he cites land all he's seen is water and that's our situation. 239 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,440 The ET is in there. 240 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,440 So far, all signals received have turned out to be false alarms. 241 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,440 So is it worth continuing the search? 242 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:21,440 The question of whether anybody else is out there is the oldest unanswered question that our species has ever asked. 243 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:29,440 And personally, I wouldn't work on a project that I didn't think had a chance of success. 244 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Well I certainly believe that the aliens are out there. I mean I have personally no doubt about that. 245 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Obviously there's no proof. In my opinion there's no proof of that yet. 246 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,440 But the reason that I think that it's got to be true is primarily just the vastness of the cosmos. 247 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,440 I mean there are half trillion stars in our galaxy. There are 50 billion other galaxies, each with a half trillion stars. 248 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:58,440 That's a lot of real estate and it would be bizarre in the extreme to think that this is the only bit of real estate where anything interesting is happening. 249 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:08,440 The founding father of SETI, Professor Frank Drake, devised an equation that estimates the universe to be teeming with intelligent life. 250 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:18,440 So if ET is out there and could have reached us, then surely those who deal with space travel are most likely to have seen some signs. 251 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Dr. Farouk El-Baz, a geologist, now works at Boston University. 252 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,440 For six years he was a senior member of NASA's legendary Apollo program. 253 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:52,440 He was head of astronaut training and responsible for the intricate experiments that were scheduled for testing on the moon's surface. 254 00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:04,440 During his time in mission control, he experienced at first hand some unusual happenings involving astronaut Ken Mattingly in the lunar orbiter. 255 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:15,440 The one most peculiar sighting of something that we never found out that it was and we thought it should be easy to, 256 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:23,440 was the sighting of flashes on the surface of the moon by Ken Mattingly during the Apollo 16 mission. 257 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:35,440 One of the objectives of that Apollo 16 mission was to see how much can we see and photograph in the part of the moon that is not lit by the sun but by earth shine. 258 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:43,440 The first time Ken Mattingly began to do this, he said something that I'll be damned, I just saw a flash. 259 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:54,440 And we said, what flash? So we said, I just saw a light flash on the surface of the moon, something on the moon flashed. 260 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:09,440 As he came around the next time and we said now be careful with this thing and look again and mark your time when you see it so we know exactly when it happens because we want to tie this to whatever is happening in the landing site. 261 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:19,440 One of NASA's experiments on the moon involved highly sensitive seismometers that among other things could detect the impact of incoming meteors. 262 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:28,440 If Mattingly's flashes appeared again, the instruments would surely record the impact of a meteor, the most likely explanation for his sighting. 263 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:36,440 And so on the next lunar orbit, Ken Mattingly was briefed to look out for flashes and report what he saw. 264 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:44,440 He said, okay, and he did that and he saw two flashes, that's the time and not that one orbit, not one. 265 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:52,440 So we picked up the exact times and we took these to our colleagues, the ones that had the seismometers. 266 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,440 But at that time there was absolutely no evidence of anything hitting the moon at these hours because it would have been picked up for it. 267 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,440 There is absolutely no explanation and that remained a complete mystery. 268 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,440 Of course at this time the Russians had an unmanned presence on the moon. 269 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,440 Nevertheless there are unexplained pictures. This one shows a shadow racing across the moon's surface. 270 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,440 And here a flash appears from a crater as an unidentified object passes overhead. 271 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,440 There's a funny object right there. 272 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,440 And the astronauts are going to pan around here and notice the moon never goes out of sight. 273 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440 There it is again and the object has changed. 274 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,440 Dr. Jack Casher has studied this film and is convinced that it shows a UFO on the moon. 275 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Head of Physics at Nebraska University, Dr. Casher's academic background is impressive. 276 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,440 I studied the physics of the effects of nuclear weapons among other things. 277 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440 I specialized in electromagnetic theory, electromagnetic pulses. 278 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440 I did some work on the Star Wars program out there. 279 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,440 In 1991 I started doing research with NASA. 280 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440 My clearance was up to the secret restricted data. 281 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,440 In fact one paper that I wrote was so classified that I couldn't read it myself but I had to get special permission to read it. 282 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:33,440 Three main engines up and burning. Three, two, one, zero and lift off of the space shuttle discovery and the upper atmosphere research satellite. 283 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,440 We're going to be there studying the Earth's environment from space. 284 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:44,440 Dr. Casher has studied closely another film taken in space during shuttle mission STS-48. 285 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:52,440 He's certain that here there is a refutable proof that there are UFOs in space and NASA must know it. 286 00:34:53,440 --> 00:35:00,440 After a flash an object seems to move rapidly away from an approaching missile. NASA sees it differently. 287 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,440 Four NASA scientists looked at these objects and there will be another one right here. 288 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:16,440 And decided that they were probably ice particles close to the shuttle that were being blown by the attitude adjuster rockets that go off to adjust the shuttle's orientation. 289 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:23,440 It's a fact that the shuttle's jets do blow ice particles around in space. The story Musgrave knows well. 290 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,440 If you just shut the engines down there's thousands of particles which come forward for some reason. 291 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,440 So you see this marvelous debris come across the front windows. 292 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,440 My analysis leads me otherwise. I have concluded that these are probably spacecraft out in space away from the shuttle. 293 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:49,440 We'll see the main object appear here soon. There it is. It's going to go up here and there will be a double flash down here. 294 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:57,440 Apparently in response to that it will cut back very sharply in that direction and then you'll see a streak go through where the object had been. 295 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,440 Watch for the double flash. There's the flash. There it goes. And there goes the streak right through where it had been. 296 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,440 I think they're spacecraft because they change direction apparently in response to the flashes. 297 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:18,440 So they're maneuvering. They're accelerating. Changing directions out in space and that's my definition of spacecraft. 298 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,440 I'm convinced that this is snowflakes. Small snowflakes illuminated by the sun. 299 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:33,440 There was one snowflake doing a 90 degrees turn. I don't understand why this snowflake makes such kind of turn. 300 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,440 It could be that it collides with something else so it makes a different direction. 301 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,440 These two objects react... 302 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:49,440 I've seen the report by Dr. Katsch. I've heard his presentations. He has the timing of the flashes wrong. He has the position of the jets and the pulses wrong. 303 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:59,440 The timing of the flashes occurred at a certain time. I tried to tell him several years ago about the fact that the visible flash on the television does not fully coincide with the actual rocket pulse. 304 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,440 And I have a letter. I sent him. He disregarded that. 305 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,440 I think that NASA would tend to be quiet about anything that would tend to have an extraterrestrial interpretation. 306 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:19,440 I think it's like the rest of the branches of the government. I think there's a cover up and they are keeping things concerning UFOs from us. 307 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:27,440 Three, two, one. Boost recognition and liftoff of Columbia on a life sciences mission for Earth and space. 308 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:37,440 The fact is there are unidentified flying objects in space and even on the way there. This one appeared in the middle of a shuttle launch. 309 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,440 We have switched to TVC2. 310 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:53,440 On another occasion on Mission STS-73 astronaut Caddy Coleman has heard to announce loud and clear that she's just seen a UFO. 311 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,440 We have an unidentified flying object. 312 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,440 Is there something going on in space that we're not being told? 313 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:16,440 The Americans are not the only ones in space. The MIR space station has allowed Russian cosmonauts to break the records for the length of time spent in space. 314 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:24,440 During a docking with MIR, cosmonaut Musa Manorov filmed an unidentified object that passed by. 315 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,440 At some point in the filming I caught sight of something that seemed to have separated from the ship. 316 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,440 Moreover it was rotating as it moved away and changing its brightness. 317 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:49,440 I can't say exactly how far away it was. I can only say it was not very close because the camera was focused on infinity. 318 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,440 At first it seemed to me that something has separated from the ship. 319 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,440 But then when I examined the ship I realized that there was nothing that could have broken away. 320 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440 What's more, I have no alarms going off. Everything was calm. 321 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,440 Later there were lengthy arguments as to what it could possibly have been. 322 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:19,440 On another mission, Russian cosmonaut Gennady Strickalov is certain he saw a most unusual unidentified flying object in space. 323 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,440 There was a huge sphere. I think it appeared when we were over Newfoundland. The sea was in the background. 324 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440 It was shining, sparkling of absolutely even shape. 325 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,440 It shone like the balls that hang on trees at Christmas. 326 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,440 Greenish in color and all shimmering. It was impossible to take your eyes off it. 327 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,440 I watched it for maybe 5 or 7 seconds. But I didn't have a camera and if I had gone to get one I would have lost it. 328 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,440 For just a sudden as it appeared. So it just disappeared. 329 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440 It's not difficult to misinterpret objects in space. 330 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,440 This mysteriously floating sphere is actually a recently developed remote camera called Aircam. 331 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,440 Story Musgrave is uniquely placed to know if there are UFOs in space. 332 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,440 He spent 30 years with NASA and been on 6 missions. 333 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:35,440 Has he seen anything in his time out there that might be evidence of extraterrestrial life or perhaps explain the UFO phenomenon? 334 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,440 Nothing that I have seen personally has a signature. 335 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:51,440 Has those characteristics which you would attribute to other forms of intelligence or other kinds of craft. 336 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:59,440 Twice I saw what I call my eel which I don't know the size of it because I don't know how far away it was. 337 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,440 But it was like a rubber piece of hose which had internal motions in it. 338 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Maybe it's 8 feet, maybe it's 10. I'm not sure. When you can't tell how far away you can't get the size. 339 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,440 So I'm missing both of those things' size and how far away. 340 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,440 But there's no question it had internal motions. 341 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:37,440 Story Musgrave is open to the idea of alien civilizations but is adamant that he has never found any proof on any of his shuttle missions. 342 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:47,440 The new frontiers of space are providing pictures that serve only to fuel the UFO controversy. 343 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,440 In this footage taken from shuttle mission STS-80, the cameras pointing back at Earth. 344 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:07,440 There are many features that are known here. Flashes of lightning from tropical thunderstorms, the city lights of Denver, Colorado, meteors, satellites and some 8000 pieces of space debris. 345 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,440 But still there are some objects that remain a mystery. 346 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,440 Like this strange shape that appears unexpectedly from the Earth's atmosphere. 347 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,440 Is it a UFO? What do the experts make of it? 348 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,440 I don't know what it is. Whether it's a washer, debris, ice particle, I don't know. 349 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,440 But it's characteristic of the thousands of things which I've seen. 350 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,440 What is not quite so characteristic appears to come from nowhere. 351 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:49,440 You would think that even if it's facing the dark side or facing a side toward you which does not reflect the sun, you would think you would see something there. 352 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,440 That's really impressive. 353 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:03,440 My first understanding that what you see was a reflection of a rising moon in the window for which the camera is looking. 354 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,440 This was my first impression. But on the second thought I thought that would be wrong. 355 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,440 Usually in life there are some possibilities which you don't think of. I don't know. 356 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:29,440 My best guess from my scientific point of view is that we really are being visited by extraterrestrials. 357 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:37,440 Probably have been for some time. And I believe that at least some of these UFO reports are genuine. 358 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,440 And by UFO I really don't mean unidentified flying objects. I mean extraterrestrial spacecraft. 359 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:54,440 I think the word has evolved into meaning that. And I think there are enough examples from reliable witnesses to suggest that this cries out for investigation. 360 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:02,440 Clearly Dr. Kaccha and other UFO believers think they have proof that NASA is keeping something secret. 361 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:12,440 Let them put their analysis in some peer review journals or professional journals or a general interest publication. But I haven't seen any of it. 362 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,440 We're not hiding anything. We don't have the UFOs spacecraft and the beings stuffed in some hangar on one of our centers. 363 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:27,440 There would be no reason for us to do that. One of our goals is to find the origins and the search for life. 364 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:36,440 If we find life, if we think we've been visited by life, we are going to trumpet it loudly. Our budget's been going down for the last five years. 365 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:43,440 If there's one thing that could turn it around, it's some clear indication that life has either come here or we have found it somewhere else. 366 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,440 We're not about to cover that up. 367 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:53,440 A distinguished astronaut who agrees with Jack Kaccha's belief in the reality of UFOs is Gordon Cooper. 368 00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:01,440 Now in his 80s, in 1951, Cooper had a sighting while serving as a fighter pilot in Germany. 369 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:10,440 Well, a weatherman had reported seeing these objects in the sky and various other people got binoculars and looked for them and saw them also. 370 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,440 And they were flying formations similar to our fighter formations. 371 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,440 And we proceeded to launch them airplane and see if we could get up where they were and we could not and gave up on it. 372 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:30,440 They were higher and faster than we could go. They were very metallic looking, symmetrical saucer shape. 373 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,440 I think I saw some craft coming from some distant planet. 374 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:48,440 Gordon Cooper was so convinced that there was evidence of UFOs here on Earth that in 1978 he went to the United Nations and presented them with a letter describing his experience. 375 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,440 Today, Cooper is unswerving in his belief that UFOs are real. 376 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:02,440 He's convinced that the evidence is not in space but here on Earth and no one knows it better than fellow pilots. 377 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,440 When I do know a few airline pilots who have had some very real sightings, 378 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,440 then I would suspect that there are probably vehicles that are coming from some other galaxy somewhere. 379 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:43,440 Thank you for watching.